"Teaching black people get to be white in the new world.."..Do you have any quotes to prove that was really said? I'm not going to jwfacts or anything else that's apostate, though, we're told not to do that. It can't be true, that's blatant racism!
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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"
by DATA-DOG inas of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"
by DATA-DOG inas of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
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DD:"It contains many errors"
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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"
by DATA-DOG inas of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
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And whilst I'm asking questions Heavensgate, as you seem far more experienced than I am, how would you explain the overlapping generation teaching to a householder from the Bible? Someone asked me to give a Scriptural example of this, and I couldn't think of one. Many in our Hall can't explain it too well either..
Sorry, I'll stop bugging you now, honest. I hope you will stick around, I'm 'holding the fort' alone on this site at the moment.. -
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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"
by DATA-DOG inas of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
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Heavensgate:''Continue learning, and you will find out with this article and time placement equal to people believing that Jesus was God, and was far more Superior to worship than Jehovah the father.''
..I gather that English isn't your first language, but can you please explain this more clearly? Thank you, I hope I cause no offense.
Heavensgate:"you will soon..accept their doctrine to be the only infallible truth."
..Now you are being silly. Not even the Faithful Slave teaches the infallible truth, do they?... Nobody has accepted me here, and I don't care either way. Maybe you could help me to refute the points being made here rather than just lumping me in with this random group of people??
I see what you are saying now.. that Jesus was worshipped by angels in the sense of being subservient at Hebrews 1:6, which said worship in the King James before we quite rightly translated the word as obeisance, where the other Bibles that the worlds so-called 'intellectuals' have produced are translated wrongly, and inconsistent with all other Scriptures as anyone could see.. But what about that 69 Awake quote? Wouldn't children reading that have understood that direction to have come from Jehovah? -
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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"
by DATA-DOG inas of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
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Heavensgate:"When Jesus said follow me. He was not exerting authority over himself. He is the vessel that used for salvation. This vessel justifies him to reign over all of us, not as God but as King. Your understanding about dual GOD has never been mentioned in any sensible way. Good Luck with your endeavor."
I've NO idea what you are talking about. I don't believe in a dual God at all, I never have.
I am an active Jehovahs Witness.. I only know to worship Jehovah, you insult me.
Why do you think I've been defending our beliefs??
And what do you mean by empathizing but not agreeing? Agreeing with what??
I was trying to get the viewpoint of an experienced fellow Witness, how can that quote from 1945 mean anything but to worship Jesus? It says we should 'worship Jehovah and also bow down and worship Jesus', in the same context.
And how could we state it as fact that children WOULD NOT grow old or finish school. An answer to either/both of these points would be helpful, but you have bizarrely decided that I'm some dual God believer, goodness knows why.. -
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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"
by DATA-DOG inas of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
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Heavensgate:"The JWN community is not really looking for truthful answer they just want to replace wisdom with hate."
That's not fair really.. Most of the posters have been respectful.
Heavensgate:"The separation of movements is not acknowledged here unfortunately."
To be fair, some of the quotes shown here are quite recent. What about that one from 1969, saying children will not grow old as a definite statement? And why can't I look it up on the cd-rom? The awakes only go back to 1970, but the watchtowers to 1950 which I always thought was odd.. And the quote about Jesus being worshipped in the same way as Jehovah, how could the Faithful Slave have printed that at any time?
'Since Jehovah God now reigns as King by means of his capital organization Zion,then whosoever would worship Him must also worship and bow down to Jehovah's Chief One in that capital organization, namely, Christ Jesus, his Co-regent on the throne of The Theocracy."Watchtower1945 Oct 15 p.313 -
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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"
by DATA-DOG inas of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
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(I'm out of posts, Suspicious!!)Ucantnome, I'll answer you as it is simple and I have neither the time or posts to do any more. I may have to discuss the Jesus worship quotes with an elder or someone mature. 'Does it mean that Armageddon is going to be finished, with Satan bound, by 1975? It could! It could!All things are possible with God. Does it mean that Babylon the Great is going to go down by 1975? It could. Does it mean that the attack of Gog of Magog is going to be made on Jehovah's witnesses to wipe them out, then Gog himself will be put out of action? It could. But we are not saying. All things are possible with God.But we are not saying. And don't any of you be specific in saying anything that is going to happen between now and 1975.But the big point of it all is this, dear friends: Time is short. Time is running out, no question about that."Watchtower1966 Oct 15 pp.629,631"Speculative Articles, But NO Definite StatementWhile there was likely a lot of speculation surrounding 1975 by individuals,no publication ever provided a definitive statement saying that the end would come in 1975. Some articles seemed to say that it was highly possible,though they always qualified it.For example, the 5/01/67 Watchtower says:"...1975 marks the end of 6,000 years of human experience.....Will it be the time when God executes the wicked?....It very well could be,but we will have to wait and see."Other articles frequently used words such as "may", "could" and "possibly"," regarding this.Even Frederick Franz (the then President of the WBTS) forcefully instructed:"...don’t any of you be specific in saying anything that is going to happen between now and 1975."http://defendingjehovahswitnesses.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/1975-and-jehovahs-witnesses-opposers.html
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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"
by DATA-DOG inas of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
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A professor of Bible languages at Union Theological Seminary in New York, Dr. Marvin R. Vincent, wrote that in theKJV(and other old translations into English) some uses of 'worship' may seem to be
"An unfortunate translation, according to modern English, but justified by the usage of earlier English, according to which to worship meant simply to honor. Worship is worthship, or honor paid to dignity or worth. This usage survives in the [British] expressions 'worshipful' and 'your worship.' In the marriage-service of the English Church occurs the phrase, 'With my body I thee worship.' So Wycliffe [one of the earliest English Bible translators] renders Matthew 19:19, 'Worship thy father and thy mother;' and John 12:26, 'If any man serve me, my Father shall worship him.'" - pp. 533, 534,Word Studies in the New Testament, vol. 1, Sage Software, 1996.
So, just like the Bible words shachah(Hebrew) and proskuneo(Greek), the word 'worship' in English also, until relatively recent times, had various levels of meaning and could be applied to other men in a lower sense of the word.
http://defendingjehovahswitnesses.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/is-it-proper-to-worship-jesus-worship.html -
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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"
by DATA-DOG inas of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"
by DATA-DOG inas of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
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I can't believe that we used to worship Jesus..the word must have meant something different then, as in honor him. I will research that and get back to you.
John Preston, as to organ donation..
http://defendingjehovahswitnesses.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/has-watchtower-society-ever-prohibited.html